Beta Camera Build 3.2.8

[Paul S.]

You know what's frustrating? Paying 16K for a C300 and having it be out of date in 6 months. You know what else is frustrating? Whiny little b__ches like you who feel entitled to a $35K Camera for 10K. I'll tell you what - none of us are entitled to that. If you feel that entitled, maybe your parents should have been more strict with you.

Also frustrating is some of these new Scarlet users on Reduser. (I said SOME) These have the strong smell of hobbiests without the faintest clue about market and business realities. Some of us here feed our families with our camera investments. We are not all just producing mopey navel-gazing "personal films" while working a day job at Starbucks.

Scarlet itself? Not frustrating.

This post is crass, and deserves scorn. Show me an Epic user who doesn't want the best from their camera, and who doesn't want the most out of their investment. Why should Scarlet users be different? Doesn't sound like whining, any more than what is heard throughout reduser daily. The only whining I'm hearing is from people who bought Epics who realize their distinctly average needs may well have been suited by a cheaper camera.

Or to put it another way: "Also frustrating is those Epic owners (some of whom paid peanuts due to the upgrade program), who feel that their investment should receive special protection, by hobbling other technology so that it doesn't perform as well as it might."

[Peter Lyons Collister, ASC]

ARG......

Don't we all want to just make movies? I mean Schawartzman and I thought the beta Epic was the best camera for Spiderman. But some of us in this forum want the newest... And really we should just want a great camera to make our films. I shot 35mm on my last feature, Epic on my last 3d 250 million feature and now I may shoot Sony F900R for a commercial.

Really we need to just shoot great stuff..... Use the camera as a film stock and just shoot pictures.......

[Harrison Diamond]

You know what's frustrating? Paying 16K for a C300 and having it be out of date in 6 months. You know what else is frustrating? Whiny little b__ches like you who feel entitled to a $35K Camera for 10K. I'll tell you what - none of us are entitled to that. If you feel that entitled, maybe your parents should have been more strict with you.

Also frustrating is some of these new Scarlet users on Reduser. (I said SOME) These have the strong smell of hobbiests without the faintest clue about market and business realities. Some of us here feed our families with our camera investments. We are not all just producing mopey navel-gazing "personal films" while working a day job at Starbucks.

Scarlet itself? Not frustrating.

Rob,
Glad to see you edited your post. It was more than a little over the top.

There's a lot of us out there who fall into different categories. I work a day job... I'm a Geek Squad agent. I need that job to pay the bills right now. Being a stills photographer up here with my particular focus being sports wasn't getting that done in this economy. Just because I work a job outside the film industry doesn't make me any less deserving of the opportunity to shoot on Red, or automatically make me any less of a legitimate filmmaker than anyone else.

That said, I have also spent the last 5+ years on this forum. I've soaked up as much information as I could, I share what knowledge I have, and I never act like I'm owed anything. After this long, I know Red really does have my interests at heart here. And I know enough that I don't go off whining.

But you have to be careful... just because there's a lot of people out there who fit a certain mold, especially as they move from DSLRs to bigger and better cameras like the F3, C300, and Scarlet, doesn't mean that all of us fall into that category and deserve to be painted with the same brush. And there is almost never a reason to resort to name calling and insults. It reflects poorly on the Reduser community and more importantly on you.

I'm not ashamed to say it. I got my Scarlet in 3 days before my 23rd birthday. Some people would say I must be young and foolish, or have rich parents, or whatever. But I've worked hard for years to put myself in a position where I could a) afford the Scarlet b) know how to use it and c) be ready when the moment came to put it into action. I'm writing this while I finish the post on my first commercial I've shot on the Scarlet. I shot it on my days off, starting to roll camera quite literally at the crack of dawn. Could I have shot it on a DSLR? Probably. It wouldn't have looked this good IMHO, or been this easy. I have resolution to punch in, high frame rates, good depth of field flexibility, incredible dynamic range, and limitless options in post. If you'd told me 5 years ago that at this point I would not only be shooting footage this good today but that I would be doing it with a camera that cost me only $11,250, I'd have thought you were insane. Yet here I am- and frankly, the only limiting factor here isn' the camera- it's Me.

And my abilities, much like Red's specs and delivery dates, are subject to change. And I'm counting on it.

[Tim Buchheister]

One quick question? Do we have a clean HD SDI output to record to an external recorder in pro ress 422 with the release Build 3.0.7 now? @Red: Thank you very much for the great work you do!!

[TheBied]

One quick question? Do we have a clean HD SDI output to record to an external recorder in pro ress 422 with the release Build 3.0.7 now? @Red: Thank you very much for the great work you do!!

Tim -- Clean feed for all of the HD formats is available in the 3.2.8 beta firmware

[Frank Weeks]

ARG......

Don't we all want to just make movies? I mean Schawartzman and I thought the beta Epic was the best camera for Spiderman. But some of us in this forum want the newest... And really we should just want a great camera to make our films. I shot 35mm on my last feature, Epic on my last 3d 250 million feature and now I may shoot Sony F900R for a commercial.

Really we need to just shoot great stuff..... Use the camera as a film stock and just shoot pictures.......

Thanks Peter.
The camera quality can't make a bad idea good. Great ideas create compelling content. If you can't do something amazing with a Scarlet you're not likely to do it with an Epic either. Both cameras are amazing. As the old Nike spot says....Just do it

[Jean Guerra]

i have epic M #1234 and an epic x should i upgrade firmware or not???

[Paul Ellington]

This post is crass, and deserves scorn. Show me an Epic user who doesn't want the best from their camera, and who doesn't want the most out of their investment. Why should Scarlet users be different? Doesn't sound like whining, any more than what is heard throughout reduser daily. The only whining I'm hearing is from people who bought Epics who realize their distinctly average needs may well have been suited by a cheaper camera.

Or to put it another way: "Also frustrating is those Epic owners (some of whom paid peanuts due to the upgrade program), who feel that their investment should receive special protection, by hobbling other technology so that it doesn't perform as well as it might."

Both of you are protecting your rights, great, not really the place man instead of yelling at each other over the internet if you really think the Scarlet crowd is hard done by, call Jim or Jarred tomorrow and see what kind of response you get... No, you say that might not be a good idea... Ok. Just thought I'd throw my two cents since people seem to think 4K alone for under 10K isn't an amazing deal, and for those who say that's not the point... You're wrong, it's exactly the point, this is not a amateur camera, but you have been blessed with the capacity to own one. If you are a professional stop whining, save, pay, and get an Epic. Both cameras will open doors if you shoot well like Peter says.

PS -- Epic owners should get more attention and if I owned a Scarlet only I would be counting the days until I was invited into the club.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

this is a notifaction thread for a firmware release. why 36 pages?
red is simple. epic and scarlet. specs and prices are at red.com.
along the way are some surprises which all of us didnt expect. thats cool. firmware upgrades are for free. thats cool.
warranty philiosophy is very generous. thats cool. service is almost 24/7 without a subcription fee. thats cool.
red, i just appreciate all these points. red treats their customers special. if you are treating them special too, red gives you back ten times more. dont piss in the lake you are drinking from :)

[Rob Ruffo]

this is a notifaction thread for a firmware release. why 36 pages?
red is simple. epic and scarlet. specs and prices are at red.com.
along the way are some surprises which all of us didnt expect. thats cool. firmware upgrades are for free. thats cool.
warranty philiosophy is very generous. thats cool. service is almost 24/7 without a subcription fee. thats cool.
red, i just appreciate all these points. red treats their customers special. if you are treating them special too, red gives you back ten times more. dont piss in the lake you are drinking from :)

Well said.