Gini rigs cage for Scarlet

[Don Whitley]

Just purchased the scarlet cage purchased on Monday arrived today. Didn't have screws to mount the top plate but other than that it's was built just fine. I was afraid that it would have been made out of heavy duty plastic but after opening the package I was satisfied with the purchase.

Paid $299.00 plus the $55 dollar shipping which seems a little high

[Shervin Mandgaryan]

I don't think a true pro would be seen dead with this IMHO.

Because a "true pro" needs to spend 4 to 5 times the money for basically the same product?

I'm sorry, but having gear that isn't necessarily an original doesn't make you a true or non pro. Your comment doesn't really make sense.

[Don Whitley]

I agree also I believe it's not the clothes you put on but it's the person that wears them that makes them look good. So with any accessory you add to the scarlet, epic, or red one the end result will always end with a great picture because the camera is so well built.

So dress your baby how ever you like its your choice

[Rob Ruffo]

Because a "true pro" needs to spend 4 to 5 times the money for basically the same product?

I'm sorry, but having gear that isn't necessarily an original doesn't make you a true or non pro. Your comment doesn't really make sense.

His comment does make sense, because a creative pro respects other creative pros. He or she doesn't hand over their money to those who rip off other people's design work and sweat equity to make a quick buck. Their follow-focus is a rip-off of Cinevate's - like a PHOTOCOPY. Also, Cinevate pays their staff a living wage - does Gini?. How would you like it if someone copied your pitch for something, undercut your bid (because they saved $$ on the writing work) and then paid you $0 and did not even credit you.

This thread should be shut down and deleted, because it promotes what is full-on a criminal organisation that defrauds reduser legitimate sponsors.

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

Because a "true pro" needs to spend 4 to 5 times the money for basically the same product?

I'm sorry, but having gear that isn't necessarily an original doesn't make you a true or non pro. Your comment doesn't really make sense.

Because a true pro:

1. Wouldn't want to be seen on set with low quality crap gear and

2. Because a true pro doesn't buy blatant ripoff gear from a company that has no respect for the law and other peoples trademarks.

I predict 'scarlet-epic.com' will be owned by RED in the very near future...

Mike

[Shervin Mandgaryan]

I agree with your points, Gini's product is an absolute blatant ripoff of other products that have taken months of development and a lot of working hours to create. I, and many others here would love to be able to afford VF Brook or a RED tactical cage, but the price difference to us is quite large for a piece of kit that basically has the same functionality and build quality of it's 'real' counterpart.

If the price difference wasn't that extreme then you wouldn't see people flocking to buy a product that is a blatant ripoff. Not to say we're all penny pushers here but we'd like to get good bang for our buck.

And a true professional wouldn't care what they'd be seen with. At the end of the day, these are tools to help us visualize a vision. If you can get by with 4 pieces of plastic glued onto some makeshift top plate... all the power to you. Don't judge a person on professionalism based on what they use.

[Rob Ruffo]

I agree with your points, Gini's product is an absolute blatant ripoff of other products that have taken months of development and a lot of working hours to create. I, and many others here would love to be able to afford VF Brook or a RED tactical cage, but the price difference to us is quite large for a piece of kit that basically has the same functionality and build quality of it's 'real' counterpart.

If the price difference wasn't that extreme then you wouldn't see people flocking to buy a product that is a blatant ripoff. Not to say we're all penny pushers here but we'd like to get good bang for our buck.

And a true professional wouldn't care what they'd be seen with. At the end of the day, these are tools to help us visualize a vision. If you can get by with 4 pieces of plastic glued onto some makeshift top plate... all the power to you.

This has nothing to do with appearances (which do matter on a real set with a paying client, BTW, but let's pretend they don't)

A true professional has integrity. That's why I don't support criminals, no matter how many "savings" I have to pass over. I mean, take this to the logical extreme - would you steal another reduser's camera? Would you rip off your crew of their pay? But yet it's OK to rip off Cinevate and others, and not pay them for their design work, right? Me says wrong.

Besides - I'm sure it is not really quite the same quality. You all will find out the hard way in a few months - on ebay thsi guy has had many complaints and apparently has no customer service at all - read the complaints. Forced labour in hell-hole factories have limits to what they can do, no matter how many times their families are threatened.

[Bob Gundu]

Still looks like a Fiero to me :)

[Shervin Mandgaryan]

This has nothing to do with appearances (which do matter on a real set with a paying client, BTW, but let's pretend they don't)

A true professional has integrity. That's why I don't support criminals, no matter how many "savings" I have to pass over. I mean, take this to the logical extreme - would you steal another reduser's camera? Would you rip off your crew of their pay? But yet it's OK to rip off Cinevate and others, and not pay them for their design work, right? Me says wrong.

Besides - I'm sure it is not really quite the same quality. You all will find out the hard way in a few months - on ebay thsi guy has had many complaints and apparently has no customer service at all - read the complaints. Forced labour in hell-hole factories have limits to what they can do, no matter how many times their families are threatened.

Again, I agree with what you have to say. If I wasn't put in a position where a product of generally same quality was a fifth the price of another competitor, there wouldn't be an issue here and for the most part everyone would be happy. Most of the replicators in Asia have no idea how copyright or patents work because they don't leave a massive paper trail. All of these guys hock their wares on eBay and ride on decent cashflow until something happens, OR, the better option, they smarten up and use that cash to develop their own products. Gini and other Asian companies are getting innovative with their designs and will most likely threaten and compete with stuff made and designed stateside. As long as this is the case, where a real company is born from doing shady business, I'm all for it, and it looks like that's whats coming down the road for Gini.

I own his DSLR rig and its pretty much exactly built from the same billet aluminum as everyone else. Provided it's machined and designed right, there's no chance it'll be inferior to anyone elses product. Lets not forget, all of these parts are machined by milling to the exact same tolerances. The only stage where you might find poor quality is in the anodizing... depending on how they do it.

[Rob Ruffo]

Again, I agree with what you have to say. If I wasn't put in a position where a product of generally same quality was a fifth the price of another competitor, there wouldn't be an issue here and for the most part everyone would be happy. Most of the replicators in Asia have no idea how copyright or patents work because they don't leave a massive paper trail. All of these guys hock their wares on eBay and ride on decent cashflow until something happens, OR, the better option, they smarten up and use that cash to develop their own products. Gini and other Asian companies are getting innovative with their designs and will most likely threaten and compete with stuff made and designed stateside. As long as this is the case, where a real company is born from doing shady business, I'm all for it, and it looks like that's whats coming down the road for Gini.

I own his DSLR rig and its pretty much exactly built from the same billet aluminum as everyone else. Provided it's machined and designed right, there's no chance it'll be inferior to anyone elses product. Lets not forget, all of these parts are machined by milling to the exact same tolerances. The only stage where you might find poor quality is in the anodizing... depending on how they do it.

A company born of theft will remain sleazy. I know in Asia copyright law is sometimes non existent. So what? In some other countries, women have no rights, children are sold to slavery etc. Does that make it OK? This is not China and we should not lower ourselves to their standards of business behavior - lest our children one day work in a factory for $1 an hour- here we value copyrights, and as filmmakers of all people should stand up for their value - not reward those who do not value it.

I'll say it one last time: If you support crime, you have compromised your personal integrity. You don't get it back. Once it's gone, it's gone. I feel mine is worth more than a few hundred extra $$ How much do you spend in bars a week? Tab it up. You'll be shocked if you are typical of people in this business. Stop drinking for two months, save that money, and you'll be bale to get your gear without stealing the design work and value of someone else's creativity.

As per quality, read the numerous complaint reviews on ebay. With a reputable supplier, I don't have to worry about being among the lucky ones - I know I'll get what I paid for no matter what.