Mac to PC Switchers - Another Vender to Consider

[Tom Daigon]

My research for alternatives to my Mac Pro continues. Puget Systems has a lot going for it. Very impressive company and PC. And cheaper then HP & Box.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/nav/genesis/II/specs.php


Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.7.4
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Rob Ruffo]

It's spelled vendor, not vender.

To get the same power as a 2012 12 core Mac Pro you will spend about as much or more on a PC, and some of that power will be spent on the horrible bloatware which is the Windows operating system and its bi-daily updates. It will also be less stable, as PC RAM is not self-correcting. Then there is the disc fragmentation issue, which you don't get on Mac... I could go on.

The only reason there have not been new Mac Pros as of late is because there really is has not been much new/better in terms of new processors.

[Tom Daigon]

It's spelled vendor, not vender.

To get the same power as a 2012 12 core Mac Pro you will spend about as much or more on a PC, and some of that power will be spent on the horrible bloatware which is the Windows operating system and its bi-daily updates. It will also be less stable, as PC RAM is not self-correcting. Then there is the disc fragmentation issue, which you don't get on Mac... I could go on.

The only reason there have not been new Mac Pros as of late is because there really is has not been much new/better in terms of new processors.

Rob, please feel free to hold your breath waiting for a Mac Pro from crApple ( thats spelled Apple with a c-r in front) while I move on to a system that will enhance CS6 performance GREATLY over my current Mac Pro 2008 model. Im not interested in getting involved in your Mac fanboy arguefest. Use what you want, I really dont care. :D

[Stefan Scherperel]

It's spelled vendor, not vender.

To get the same power as a 2012 12 core Mac Pro you will spend about as much or more on a PC, and some of that power will be spent on the horrible bloatware which is the Windows operating system and its bi-daily updates. It will also be less stable, as PC RAM is not self-correcting. Then there is the disc fragmentation issue, which you don't get on Mac... I could go on.

The only reason there have not been new Mac Pros as of late is because there really is has not been much new/better in terms of new processors.

Usually I won't get into things like this, but to see someone post a question, and then get flamed not only on his spelling but on the entire subject of his post is just wrong.
To begin with, in the English language, while Vendor is more commonly used, Vender is also acceptable spelling. Why this was even brought up in the first place is just bad form.
Also Rob, while your opinion is much appreciated, despite negativity being thrown up all over your post, it is hardly fact.
So lets go back to Tom's original question and work from there. If you want to start a Mac vs PC debate, there are lots of forums all over the "internets" for you to choose from.

To Tom
For me personally I prefer to build my own systems, but Puget systems looks very well designed, although some of their prices for upgrades are a little steep.

[Tom Daigon]

Hi Stefan, thanks for the moral support :D My skills are in editing and motion graphics so its wise for me to allow others with skills in computer building to do what they do best. Ive researched lots of folks (HP, Boxx, ADK, Pro Maxx) and I like that Puget listens to my unique needs as an editor and designs a system with that in mind. Unfortunately the system and components I want tend to be costly at all the places I have checked out. Puget happens to be the lowest so far.

[Matt Gottshalk]

Good stuff Tom.

I saw the Promax Systems One PC out at NAB and was super impressed with it as well.

Best,

[Rob Ruffo]

Rob, please feel free to hold your breath waiting for a Mac Pro from crApple ( thats spelled Apple with a c-r in front) while I move on to a system that will enhance CS6 performance GREATLY over my current Mac Pro 2008 model. Im not interested in getting involved in your Mac fanboy arguefest. Use what you want, I really dont care. :D

Well, you could get a 2010 model with 12 cores. That would be way faster than a 2008 model and would cost you, as mentioned, the same as a PC with the same capabilities, but would run on a low overhead operating system. Do what you want, but I do post production at a very high end, as do many Mac Pro users - maybe we know something. I have PCs here as well.

[Milan Spasic]

To me, using a Mac was never about the hardware, it was about NOT having to use Windows.

Looking at the hardware alone and ignoring the OS is like comparing cameras and not mentioning that one shoots RAW and other only JPEG.
So "better performance" is a relative term in this case.
The idea of Hackintosh appeals to me but switching to Windows to improve performance doesn't really.
Good luck.

Cheers,

Milan

[Rob Ruffo]

Usually I won't get into things like this, but to see someone post a question, and then get flamed not only on his spelling but on the entire subject of his post is just wrong.
To begin with, in the English language, while Vendor is more commonly used, Vender is also acceptable spelling. Why this was even brought up in the first place is just bad form.
Also Rob, while your opinion is much appreciated, despite negativity being thrown up all over your post, it is hardly fact.
So lets go back to Tom's original question and work from there. If you want to start a Mac vs PC debate, there are lots of forums all over the "internets" for you to choose from.

To Tom
For me personally I prefer to build my own systems, but Puget systems looks very well designed, although some of their prices for upgrades are a little steep.

Vender is not "acceptable spelling" just because many who do not know how to spell spell it that way. "Er" and "or" have different semantic inferences. To switch them is to lower the usefulness of the written word.

Other than that I was not flaming him. His post suggested that a vast migration from Mac for pro use was necessary. That is not (yet) advisable unless Mac does not release new towers based on Sandy Bridge. We have yet to see whether or not they will. Since their last release, other than the (very) recent Sandy Bridge, Moore's Law has proven untrue, mainly because most consumers already have computers more than fast enough for their needs, so there is not the gigantic financial incentive for progress there was when Microsoft Word was too slow for comfort on your average desktop. Mac depends on Intel to develop new and faster things, and lately they have not.

[Stefan Scherperel]

Vender is not "acceptable spelling" just because many who do not know how to spell spell it that way. "Er" and "or" have different semantic inferences. To switch them is to lower the usefulness of the written word.

Other than that I was not flaming him. His post suggested that a vast migration from Mac for pro use was necessary. That is not (yet) advisable unless Mac does not release new towers based on Sandy Bridge. We have yet to see whether or not they will. Since their last release, other than the (very) recent Sandy Bridge, Moore's Law has proven untrue, mainly because most consumers already have computers more than fast enough for their needs, so there is not the gigantic financial incentive for progress there was when Microsoft Word was too slow for comfort on your average desktop. Mac depends on Intel to develop new and faster things, and lately they have not.

While it might be that way in Canada, Vender and Vendor is used in the English language in the United States. Vendor deriving from the Anglo-French, and Vender deriving from Latin. This forum is worldwide, and there will be different spellings for words all over the world, depending on the local customs. Don't even get me started on "color" and "colour".

"Other than that I was not flaming him. "

There is no reason to flame anybody for any reason at all, if you are having a bad day, a forum about cameras is not really a great place to take out your anger.

I think a lot of people are up in the air about the current Apple situation, whether waiting for FCP X updates or if the mac Pro will actually be continued. Some people aren't satisfied with just waiting and seeing, and want to protect themselves for the future.
Tom was simply referring to the several people on this forum that have been talking about switching from Mac to PC. No where did I see him imply that a revolution was happening, therefore a harsh retort such as the one you gave was a bit out of line.