RED 17-50 vs Zeiss ZE (25,50,85)

[Shane Kelly]

Alexey, as Daniel has said, you are putting too much faith in the lenses. Although each lens has certain characteristics, much of what you are seeing, especially saturation, is post based. If you like shallow depth of field, then you would want to go for the zeiss lenses as they are faster but the pro zoom is a great all around lens and will serve you well.
here's a couple of examples from both the zeiss 85 and the red prozoom.
first the zeiss:


and now the zoom:


Both lenses have a place, it's really up to you.

[Alexey Datsenko]

Thank you!
I see the lense is not everything but I just try go get such kind of picture:)
But may be it is need a very expensive lence)

http://vimeo.com/32689183

https://vimeo.com/15326643

[Lee Saxon]

If you go Zeiss, get the 50/2, not the 50/1.4. The 50/1.4 is a good lens but it's not worth the "Zeiss premium."

[shashbugu]

Thank you!
I see the lense is not everything but I just try go get such kind of picture:)
But may be it is need a very expensive lence)

http://vimeo.com/32689183

Not a good example of filmic look there.

Lenses will give you softness, sharpness, contrast, coloration, bokeh and light fidelity. It is well known that the Zeis ZE/ZF range are very sharp and contrasty compared to the nicer CP.2 line. The red lenses are super sharp but not quite as contrasty, they are actually quite flat retaining good detail. Just for this feature I have used Red lenses on other cameras including the F3 and Alexa. The CP.2 lenses will give you instant filmic sexiness, but are a little slow at higher stop ranges. The ZE lenses breath like a fish out of water, but are great for indoor and night scenes. They also have no infinity focus, but are very easy and very fast to use on an epic or scarlet. For a filmic look get your self a good DP or Gaffer. A lot of the examples you referenced are not really that filmic looking except for one or two. filmic is relative to light in the scene. The are thousands of 35mm and 16mm films that are not filmic or should I say cinematic.

[Alexey Datsenko]

Thank you, I see the picture from 50/2 and it is very interesting picture, very good saturation good contrast!

[Scott Surman]

I like the boca on the ziess lenses better. Like everyone else said, depends on your shooting style. If your pressed for time on set up in between shots and on a limited budget. Get the zoom, you'll spend way less set up time. Just move the camera and reframe the shot. If your rocking a set of primes, your going to have to switch the lenses out which takes up valuable time. Also consider the style of shooting that your doing, like if your on a shoulder rig or a stedicam you want the load light as possible and the prime lenses will save a ton of weight. On sticks? rock the zoom.

Like I said though, both great lenses. You really can't go wrong. Just take everything into effect.

Cheers

[Alexey Datsenko]

Not a good example of filmic look there.

Lenses will give you softness, sharpness, contrast, coloration, bokeh and light fidelity. It is well known that the Zeis ZE/ZF range are very sharp and contrasty compared to the nicer CP.2 line. The red lenses are super sharp but not quite as contrasty, they are actually quite flat retaining good detail. Just for this feature I have used Red lenses on other cameras including the F3 and Alexa. The CP.2 lenses will give you instant filmic sexiness, but are a little slow at higher stop ranges. The ZE lenses breath like a fish out of water, but are great for indoor and night scenes. They also have no infinity focus, but are very easy and very fast to use on an epic or scarlet. For a filmic look get your self a good DP or Gaffer. A lot of the examples you referenced are not really that filmic looking except for one or two. filmic is relative to light in the scene. The are thousands of 35mm and 16mm films that are not filmic or should I say cinematic.

Thanks!
May be it is not really good "film look" picture but to tell the truth I will be happy to get such kind of picture.
I just worried that I can't get a very good cinematic picture with ZE. But everybody tells that the Zeiss ZE, RED RPP, Red 17-50, CP.2 is very similar.