Post your Audio Gear.

[A. Bastaki]

1. What gear do you use..
2. and what would you use for your red?
3. And for what purpose/s? (ENG, Feature, Docs, Professional Sound Effects..you name it.)

im thinking of recording it on a mixer with a harddrive. I never really beleived in on camera audio recording.

I'll be using the audio gear for shooting feature films/ advertisements. shoot indoors.. outdoors. will be recording dialogues and ambience.

MIXER
one of these i might be getting;
they both are from sound devices

the 702T and the 442 master.

recorder
http://sounddevices.com/products/702t.htm
and the mixer
http://sounddevices.com/products/442master.htm

HEADPHONES
Noise Cancelling JVC Headphone
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ancelling.html

MICROPHONES

Schoeps MK41's
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...tereo_Set.html
OR
Sennheiser MKH-60 - Kit B&H
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...phone_Kit.html
OR
Neumann KMR81IMT
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...icrophone.html

I still need to figure out a good ambience microphone.. Any suggestions?

APPZ
Adobe CS3... gotta love soundbooth baby... the way it layers out all the different voices for you to clean and heal. perfecta!
removing unwanted sounds have never been easier...
(go down and click-expand to view the audio cleanup and polishing features)
http://www.adobe.com/products/soundb...s/allfeatures/
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[Patrick Tresch]

Take a look at Sonosax. Jacques Sax (the boss) is a great guy!

http://www.sonosax.ch/index2.html

See you.

Pat

[Hans von Sonntag]

IMHO Schoeps is much nicer than Sennheiser...

Hans

[A. Bastaki]

IMHO Schoeps is much nicer than Sennheiser...

Hans

to be honest with you.. i dont know yet.. i cant really tell unless i see and hear footage shot with the sennheiser. and so far... ive used sennheiser for ENG and docs. they have this electronic tone to it.. you can know there's a mic.

if you watch movies... the sound feels real and natural. soft. I dunno how they do it and what do they use.
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[chuck colburn]

A very versital mic. is the AKG C1000s. Phantom or battery powered switchable pickup pattern and good sound. Buy a pair for stereo.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--AKGC1000S

[Hans von Sonntag]

to be honest with you.. i dont know yet.. i cant really tell unless i see and hear footage shot with the sennheiser. and so far... ive used sennheiser for ENG and docs. they have this electronic tone to it.. you can know there's a mic.

if you watch movies... the sound feels real and natural. soft. I dunno how they do it and what do they use.

Hi Akube,

we are on the same track. I'm not a sound man but some time ago I found that microphones are something very special and something that fits in ones taste or not. A close friend of mine is a sound man and he broadend my horizon a lot. I find the classic Sennheiser MKH 416 sounding like a beer can. Much much exeggerated of course but you get it, totally overated and I've owned three of them (stupid me, many ENG people love them). Schoeps are much softer, warmer, closer to reality - and pricier. There are also some Neumann mics that sound really nice.

Since then, I always ask the soundman to use Schoeps or Neumann. It's their work but my film. No soundman ever complaint.

Good luck and don't try to safe money on this, better one great mic than 2 or three so, so...

Hans

PS: To go the no-tethered, seperated sound recording route is also clever IMHO.

[Bruce Allen]

to be honest with you.. i dont know yet.. i cant really tell unless i see and hear footage shot with the sennheiser. and so far... ive used sennheiser for ENG and docs. they have this electronic tone to it.. you can know there's a mic.

if you watch movies... the sound feels real and natural. soft. I dunno how they do it and what do they use.

Akuba, the reason movie sounds are better than ENG is because:
a) they hired a good sound guy to collect sound on set
b) they hired a great post sound team (sound editor, re-recording mixer, etc)

Equipment advantage is nowhere near as important.

Why not just hire / team up with a sound guy? Good ones have most of this gear anyway. Even if you had the best gear on the planet, you couldn't operate it and the camera at the same time and get the most out of your equipment's potential.

That said... here are my recommendations in the true RedUser spirit of "hey, let's buy cool stuff - my gear is the only thing holding my genius back!" (which I am totally guilty of thinking too ;)...

headphones- screw noise cancelling - just get Sony MDR-7506. $100. It's not flat freq response at all, but it's loud and shows up problems nicely during recording. Once you have one, you'll start saying "hey, those are my headphones" a lot when you watch DVD making-ofs...

recorder: 744T or 702T.

shotgun microphones: no way on the ME66, dude. If I could manage a 416 even for my DV projects, you can manage something better for your Red. MKH series is much better, yes. Recommended: Schoeps, Neumann, Sennheiser, Sanken.

hypercardiods: Schoeps MK41s are the fave.

lavs: try to stay away from lavs if at all possible. They tend to lead to that ENG "sound like suck" sound you described above IMHO.

software: Soundbooth won't take you there. Personally I use Pro Tools LE. I hate the fact it has no surround, but it is well-designed for real world use otherwise.

monitor speakers: get a GOOD pair of speakers for monitoring your tracks. You want to hear problems when choosing takes, not only in final mix. I bought some used Genelecs pretty cheaply.

final mix: do a good final mix out of house if possible. If you have Pro Tools you can set everything up for them nicely. But if you are organized in your editing program you can do that too.

Bruce Allen
www.boaicinemea.com

[Hans von Sonntag]

Just to add a thought,

Schoeps and Neumann mics (don't know about AKG unfortunately) build great mics since a long time. An early 90ies Schoep or Neumann must be available used, even on ebay. I think it will be worth to check.

Apart from this, the recording device hardly influence the mood and feel of the recorded sound (yes, 24Bit is better than 16 bit...). Better to invest the money in great mics than in a great sound recording device. A Sennheiser MKH 416 and a Sounddevice 744T (great product) will record less pleasing sound than a decent Schoeps and some cheap sound recording device that needs a slate for sync.

Hans

[chuck colburn]

AKG has been around for sixty years. Good stuff.


http://www.akg.com/site/powerslave,i...nguage,EN.html

[Hans von Sonntag]

Hi Bruce,

which kind of compressor/maximiser do you use (software based)? Have you ever tried Waves? I find them brilliant.

Hans