New Mac Pros in 2013

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Adobe once stopped development of Premiere on the Mac too. Why are they to be trusted again?


Just using your own logic...

I'm not sure that the future of FCP X is bright, but it sure is interesting. It was a bad launch, but there have been many important updates in the meanwhile, and a lot of extra ones coming in 2012 (announced officially).

Yes, the launch was bad on every level. So bad that most people that bailed won't bother to notice if any updates come along. I'll admit that I haven't cared at all what FCPX is doing. I returned it within a week and am staying in FCP7 until I need to leave for something better. I the meantime I'm playing with Premiere when I can. FCPX doesn't interest me in the slightest. FCP8 is the only thing that would peak my interests at this point...which I have heard rumblings about from a couple people.

[Mike Halper]

We may find out on Wednesday night. Apple is attending the Los Angeles FCP User Group. The website says "Significant new feature releases".

http://www.lafcpug.org/user_schedule.html

Almost immediately after installing FCPX I complained to Apple and got my refund. I was that disappointed. Switched to MC 5.5, and then upgraded to MC 6. Actually didn't like MC, and that's what I started on years ago. Then I went to Premiere Pro CS5.5 and now CS6, and am mostly very happy. I could live with Premiere Pro. But Apple has been doing a good job in my opinion of adding pro features to FCPX. It's still not perfect, but I would consider it for a serious project once the features they announced around NAB actually come out because of it's speed. Those new features will have meant that pretty much all of my major negatives have been addressed. FCPX is good enough of Leverage, so it should be good enough for most, but it really comes down to personal preference. So... we'll see.

[David Kurvers]

Hopefully FCPX improves with added functionality like native RED and Arri Raw workflows. Even more so than FCP 7, FCPX has some great functionality and creative approaches to helping editors be more creative faster. It's just not production faclility friendly enough yet.

I've felt that FCP7 is something that worked but was really a lesser of a bunch of evils. You have to know quite a few work-arounds to get your project out and about. That being said the world of editing software seems to be evolving faster than ever.

With all the hardware changes that have gone on with Apple, from the loss of the 17" MBP to the barely updated MP leads it seems that price per value lies with PC's and a good video card. Adobe seems to be picking up a lot of slack and with Speedgrade beginning to be integrated too. One could probably buy the Adobe production suite with what one would save buying a PC vs an Apple product.

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

It's possible that the 17inch will return next year after all if they couldn't offer one with a retina display which would likely be 3840x2400 then why even bother doing one as anyone would just take the 15inch retina MBP instead after all thats when the proper mac pro will come out, I think the mac pro update was just a half assed effort to hold the people who can't wait until whatever time next year to upgrade, you never know they could be ramping the external displays as well. Who wouldn't want a 5120 x 2880 retina 27inch thunderbolt display or 2 to go along with a killer new Mac Pro.

[Mike Halper]

David, you are right. I think when they can make a FCPX workflow run fluidly without the need for going to FCP7 or Premiere Pro then Apple may have succeeded in what they want to do. But every week that goes by they lose more and more users, so Apple has to really do something tremendous to keep the users they still have and earn back the ones that already left.

I wouldn't recommend jumping to Windows yet. I agree with Craig. Apple has stated new Mac Pros are coming next year. The fact that there was only the minor speed bump I think is an indication to a major overhaul and complete redesign of the Mac Pro. Apple is a smart and innovative company that likes to reinvent the wheel, sometimes more often than we'd all like.

The 17" may come back, I agree. I think a big reason why it didn't was supply and yield of the Retina display. The other reason is because apparently Apple wasn't selling enough of the 17" anyway, so maybe it will never return. I have a 17" now and have the Retina on the way. It will be interesting to see if I miss the 17" with the added resolution and relative increased workspace of the 15" Retina. I may find no need for a 17" after all.

[Christoffer Glans]

I wouldn't recommend jumping to Windows yet. I agree with Craig. Apple has stated new Mac Pros are coming next year. The fact that there was only the minor speed bump I think is an indication to a major overhaul and complete redesign of the Mac Pro. Apple is a smart and innovative company that likes to reinvent the wheel, sometimes more often than we'd all like.

You do understand how this is impossible for those who edit and do post production as a living? "Hold on, wait til next year", "oh they are gonna fix it"?
When FCPx came out I bashed it and everybody said to me that "they'll fix it next week, it's just a bad launch", well all things aren't fixed even at this time and I have to say I was dead right.
For professionals who care about giving clients the best possible and fast workflow it's total garbage. I wouldn't rely on it for critical work and ALL my clients are critical.
The ones I know who still uses FCP professionally all use FCP7, non use FCPx and all the post production houses have switched to Avid or CS5.5/CS6.

You didn't have to be a prophet or fortune teller to connect the dots and see that FCPx was DOA.

[Mike Halper]

So all of a sudden everyone's computers just stopped working and are unusable? FCP was the only thing a Mac is good for? There's no other editing software that runs on Macs? You're assuming I don't make a living editing or doing other work in post. Note that I was talking about switching from Mac to Windows, not from FCP or FCPX to another editing software. I even switched from FCP7 to Premiere Pro (tried Avid first too, but didn't like it even though I started with Avid years ago) myself, but I'm still keeping an eye on FCPX because it does some very cool things and is fast and powerful.

[Mike Garrick]

I own up, I guess I helped started this argument on this thread..........

But it just shows how after 18 months the whole FCP 7 vs FCPX still generates so much heat. Wow shows how passionate we can be about NLE software & shows how corporate over promising & under delivery pisses people off .

Anyway trying to move the topic back onto this thread, as opposed to the 3 millionth thread bashing FCPX.

What exactly are we after in new MAC PRO irrespective of the NLE ? Myself I'm after thunderbolt ports & maybe as rumoured "Apple Cuda" with dual retina display. Does this justify a 3 year wait?

[Eric Santiago]

... But every week that goes by they lose more and more users...

They havent lost traction. Its not like the cost of an Smoke suitel Its $300!! Thats a quarter of Sapphire alone :)

[Brian Merlen]

Why didn't they release an E5 with USB3 at bare minimum? I mean that would of pissed people off less...