"Burst" mode possible?

[Antonio Ribeiro]

Hey all, i was looking at some other types of cameras, and was wondering this: Why havent red released a firmware upgrade to do slow motion FPS (120fps or above for scarlet, like 900 for epic) at 2k (or 1080p) in a "burst" of say 10 seconds? I know nobody high up enough is going to be reading this, but i really hope this sort of thing can be released. I mean the hardware surly can handle it, right?

EDIT: sorry guys, i spelt the poll name wrong. damn iphones...

No, no! Bust is good!

[Dane Henry]

No it wouldn't. The epic does 300 at 2k.... And if it's a burst it doesn't even touch the r1.

Agreed, and Epic does 120 @ 5k!!! So a burst mode for Scarlet at 120 @ 2k does not come close to cannibalizing Epic. I think it makes alot of sense for the camera and the new customer base for Scarlet.

-Dane

[Brent G Miller Jr]

Yeah i know. I dont think you understand what i mean.

Do people actually read anymore? Do to bandwidth, he's saying a firmware UPDATE that allows the Scarlet to shoot at higher bitrates for short bursts such as 4k @60 or 3k @ 60...

[Gary Paul Walker]

Ha!

Quiet please.
Turn over.
Scene 21 take...CUT.

"Damn. Do we really have to shoot this scene in burst mode?"

Isn't this already the situation when trying to run off Redvolts ;)

1. turn camera on
2. record a scene
3. turn camera off

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Just killed a bunch of pointless and insulting posts. Let's try to play nice and leave personal attacks off the forums.

[Lliam Worthington]

Isn't this already the situation when trying to run off Redvolts ;)

1. turn camera on
2. record a scene
3. turn camera off

Indeed :))

Or worse, insert fresh redvolt, turn camera on, actor asks question, forget to turn camera off, discuss said question, go to press record, need to change afore mentioned redvolt... Repeat.

:))

[Tom Gray]

Look at it this way. I've watched hundreds upon hundreds of old warner bros and others pictures back in the day and never saw one slomo shot... ever, or that hand held crap that they call fart upps, ART! The problem today is they are making the cameraman tell the story in place of the good dialog that just the very few can write. The art of cinema photography is all but lost to creepy, greedy, smelly producers that just can't make enough money fast enough. NO STICKS NO DOLLY brakes the forth wall just as fast as the actor looking into the glass. It tells the audience this is being filmed or vlimed as I like to call it, not film not video! I don't know if anybody remembers but this is suppose to be a "fantasy" experience but every time the camera bounces around it tells me this is no longer a story but is a poor job of trying to make a feature motion picture. My suggestion to you, if you are a 15 year old kid trying to get in to making films, is to knock on an retired old timers front door and ask him how they did it back in the day and learn correctly the ART of film making because apparently schools can't. sorry for the rant but someones got to say it...

[Tom Gray]

Look at it this way. I've watched hundreds upon hundreds of old warner bros and others pictures back in the day and never saw one slomo shot... ever, or that hand held crap that they call fart upps, ART! The problem today is they are making the cameraman tell the story in place of the good dialog that just the very few can write. The art of cinema photography is all but lost to creepy, greedy, smelly producers that just can't make enough money fast enough. NO STICKS NO DOLLY brakes the forth wall just as fast as the actor looking into the glass. It tells the audience this is being filmed or vlimed as I like to call it, not film not video! I don't know if anybody remembers but this is suppose to be a "fantasy" experience but every time the camera bounces around it tells me this is no longer a story but is a poor job of trying to make a feature motion picture. My suggestion to you, if you are a 15 year old kid trying to get in to making films, is to knock on an retired old timers front door and ask him how they did it back in the day and learn correctly the ART of film making because apparently schools can't. sorry for the rant but someones got to say it...

sorry "breaks"

[Tom Gray]

Yeah i know. I dont think you understand what i mean.

Look at it this way. I've watched hundreds upon hundreds of old warner bros and others pictures back in the day and never saw one slomo shot... ever, or that hand held crap that they call fart upps, ART! The problem today is they are making the cameraman tell the story in place of the good dialog that just the very few can write. The art of cinema photography is all but lost to creepy, greedy, smelly producers that just can't make enough money fast enough. NO STICKS NO DOLLY breaks the forth wall just as fast as the actor looking into the glass. It tells the audience this is being filmed or vlimed as I like to call it, not film not video! I don't know if anybody remembers but this is suppose to be a "fantasy" experience but every time the camera bounces around it tells me this is no longer a story I'm lost in but is a poor job of trying to make a feature motion picture. My suggestion to you, if you are a 15 year old kid trying to get in to making films, is to knock on an retired old timers front door and ask him how they did it back in the day and learn correctly the ART of film making because apparently schools can't. sorry for the rant but someones got to say it... I put this in the wrong section the first time.

[Maik Müller Menendez]

Burst-mode.... hmmm, sure i would like to have more things to play with, but somehow i don't think this type of compromise is RED's way, it doesn't fit that good into their vision. I always saw the ability to choose lower resolutions with higher fps as RED's way to realize a burst-mode.

I don't think there is room to build something like a "traditional" burst-mode into EPIC/Scarlet, because they don't have those big bottlenecks that other cameras have. RED has built a completely new chipset to to be able to process 5k/4k, 16Bit, RAW images with high fps and they moved on to faster media. Slow media and slow (re-used) chipsets are the main reason why others built burst-modes around a puffer.

Ok, lets dicsuss this, what would be needed to do such a thing? A way to buffer raw images straight from the sensor into a big amount of RAM (don't forget, we're not playing with HD/8bit-stuff here). I don't think RED has gigabytes of unused RAM in every camera, so this probably needs to be done with another DSMC-module. But i'm also not sure about the possibilities to get around the encoder, the whole system looks to me like it is designed around the one and only task to get images to the encoder and then to the media. Simple, but bulletproof and done in perfection.

Honestly, i don't think this would worth the effort, time and money. It's some a old concept with lots of compromises. RED is going a different route with upgrading the hardware (and again pushing it to its limits). Dragon is coming. ;)