"Burst" mode possible?

[Andy White]

Yes, so what I mean is playing it while in the RAM buffer as you do with the Phantom, trim your shot, and then write to the card / external recorder.
Steve

I don't think this is possible on the FS700. As far as my understanding goes (and I could be wrong!), the burst fills the RAM and then plays it out to memory card. Whilst you can edit within RAM, the clip doesn't become playable via external outs until it's printed to the card.

If it was possible to play out from the buffer, that would be a different ball game.

[Maik Müller Menendez]

Those were the days! Hehehe! It sure was quite some time before the SSD time. hehehe That's what I meant with "a whole lot changed since then" and "How hard this is with the existing hardware"... Since we don't know what the plans were back than hardware wise and what it exactly is that changed on the interior, this is all highly speculative.

Yesss, but speculating is fun. :)

Never thought, never said, never implied it ;) All in all I guess you misunderstood my post a bit. This is exactly what I was talking about. But maybe I misread yours... hehehe. We're all good, just teasing!

Hehe, granted, a bit misunderstanding was included here and there. :) I guess i had some other posts in mind too.

I wouldn't bet on it either. Not at all. What I meant is that if this is at all possible for them, they will do it sometime.
I don't believe that RED is a company holding back on features on purpose. And this belief is why I bought a RED and not a SONY ;)

I totally agree, thats one of the reasons why i bought a RED camera. RED is one of the rare companies that can be trusted such things. This belief can actually been seen everywhere here, just look around how things like feature-requests are discussed. Everyone beliefs RED can do things with current hardware. In a forum about the competition we would talk about features for their next generation(s) and probably get moderated for talking about problems and bugs. ;)

Hehehe true that. :) And it's so much fun to use it for stupid speculative purposes... I made a little sheet with possible fps through data rate math juggling. It's just plain old fun. Need some math from time to time to get away from working with and looking at pictures ... hehehe

Hehe, playing around with this highend camera is a bit inspiring to do such things.

[Steve Phillipps]

I don't think this is possible on the FS700. As far as my understanding goes (and I could be wrong!), the burst fills the RAM and then plays it out to memory card. Whilst you can edit within RAM, the clip doesn't become playable via external outs until it's printed to the card.

That's correct, that's how it works at the moment, just postulating that it should be possible to write software to be able to play/trim it while in the RAM, don't see any reason why not.
Steve

[Maik Müller Menendez]

I get the feeling there must be a RAM buffer in there somewhere as that's how a pre-roll feature works, and that has been promised and been confirmed that it doesn't require extra hardware as far as I'm aware?

Interesting thought, thanks for finding the post too.
A pre-roll buffer doesn't need to be as big (and fast) as a burst-mode buffer, it just takes a few seconds of already compressed images at normal framerates. It's also thinkable that RED plans to do this via pre-caching on SSD.

Just saying. ;)

[Scott Crawley]

It's also thinkable that RED plans to do this via pre-caching on SSD.

Just saying. ;)

That's an intriguing idea. That system would have to be writing constantly. In a camera in desperate need of power management that is not really a welcome thought... At least not just now.

Is there an engineer on board who can describe the differences between RAM and SSD memory in layman's terms?

[J Taylor]

+1 ... I get what you're saying Tim, definitely would like to hear RED weigh in here, I'm guessing, like scott mentioned, that the R3D codec is substantially more material and it may be processed in a different way, not enabling a burst mode, although I'd love to have it.

[Mike P.]

One would assume that the amount of data (or number of pixels) captured per second is what counts. 4096*2160*30 is exactly the same as 5120*2160*24 (265420800). Why wouldn't it be reasonable to compare 4K 30fps to 5K WS 24fps?

Because per frame is the lowest common denominator, whereas per second (made up of 24 or 30 frames) may or may not be the processing limitation. RED can't claim that the Scarlet can't read the 8.85megs/frame of 4.5k WS (because it does so for each 4k 1.9:1 frame already) whereas 5k WS is ~10.9megs/frame (which may not actually be possible at a frame rate higher than 12fps, like the 5k limit.) In other words, the processing required to offload 10.9megs may take 1/12th a second, whereas we know the camera can read 8.85megs at a speed of at least 1/30th a second (aka 4k 30fps)... I feel like I'm not articulating myself properly.

In any case (whether 4.5k WS, 5k WS, ANA modes, or Burst modes), I would really appreciate RED telling us why it isn't possible (if, in fact, it isn't possible). I hate the BS "it just can't/get an epic" because there's no obvious hardware limitation that's preventing it...

[Steve Phillipps]

I hate the BS "it just can't/get an epic" because there's no obvious hardware limitation that's preventing it...

And the competition's hotting up!
Steve

[Timothy Carr]

And the competition's hotting up!
Steve

Its been hot for a while... 18 pages of Yes/Nos. *Sigh*

[Maik Müller Menendez]

Hehehe. Yeah, Scarlet-Users always want a bit more, and the problem is, they actually believe that RED can magically make things happen (well, because they did it many times).

So, burst-mode... Do i really need t? Nope, i can live without it. Is it possible? I don't know, but i tend to think this concept has been killed. Only RED knows the answer. Do i think it "should" be there? No, RED didn't promote Scarlet with this feature, i've bought my camera with the known specs/limitations and i'm happy with it. I don't care what a FS700 or C500 will be able to do, i've invested in RED for many more reasons than just numbers.

In the end, i guess we all would be happy if RED comes up with a burst-mode, i'm sure it would be better than what the competition offers. ;)