AS GOOD AS IMAX

[Scott Crawley]

I love all that. I personally and stylistically don't like the clean plastic digital and over processed look that many around here seem to love. All imperfections are welcome specially when coming from film in my book.

While jitter, scratches and pop are great for nostalgia, they call attention to the flaws in the fourth wall. I prefer my dream-like quality undisturbed. I don't like sterile either, but I have to throw in with the digi crowd FWIW.

[Rob Ruffo]

Roger Deakins said otherwise recently in American Cinematographer. He said digital had eclipsed film in many ways, in particular with low light shooting.

I better be careful what I say lest I get spanked by the self appointed "Fancy Talkin' Police" but I agree digital has some plusses - low light, cost, much longer takes. There are many. But in some areas film is still king: Highlight rolloff, skin rendition, color precision. Imax still winds in the resolution wars - although I'm sure in the future that will change. We hardly ever get to shoot film anymore, but I wish we did. I miss it.

[Peter Moretti]

Not sure about that.. I just watched a IMAX movie, jitter, scratches, film pop, was sharp... but not razor...... and I remember clearly a 4k presentation at RED that was sharper, cleaner and richer.

I think it really comes down to lens quality now.

Mark, three things that often get overlooked in the IMAX disucssion are:

1) Being projected in IMAX does not mean being shot in IMAX.

2) Shooting in 65mm/70mm does not necessarily mean shooting in IMAX. IMAX cameras run the film horizontally across the gate (like 35mm stills cameras do). That chews up 15 perfs of 65mm film per frame.

3) It matters if a DI was done and if so, at what resolution.

These may have influenced what you saw.

[andrewhake]

Someone posted a quote from someone else on the Internet! Quick it must be debated!..

[Scott Crawley]

Someone posted a quote from someone else on the Internet! Quick it must be debated!..

Did the sign on the door read debate or abuse? I was just looking for idle chatter... Sorry to interrupt.

[Nick Morrison]

Someone posted a quote from someone else on the Internet! Quick it must be debated!..

Actually I was quoting a printed magazine, haha. I never read AC online.... :)

[Peter Moretti]

Did the sign on the door read debate or abuse? I was just looking for idle chatter... Sorry to interrupt.

Scott, that was AWESOME! Thanks SO MUCH.

[Peter Lyons Collister, ASC]

Once again David Mullen comes up with such clarity about resolution and backs it up with numbers..... I believe Epic has incredible rez but remember also that 65mm flat and 65mm Imax 15perf has a whole different "bokeh".
The Depth of Field falloff and circle of confusion is totally different.
Once David Fincher and John Schwartzman were going to shoot a Nike commercial. Fincher wanted a specific focus falloff. They shot 65mm. It is all about "FEEL"......

[KETCH ROSSi]

Ketch you're a lovable guy, but these kinds of comments are ludicrous. No digital system has yet to beat ANY film, even 16, in many areas. Epic may be the best digital system, but it doesn't beat film yet, let alone Imax film using Imax format lenses.

LOVE U Ketch. But no way is Epic beating 15 perf 65mm film. Sorry :(.

Love the Love guys, but this is exactly what I'm saying, I didn't say why, I just said what I would do... ;)

FILM IS DEAD!!! Literally!!

No one can any more argue that, NO ONE!!


Take it from some one that might know few things more then the average Reduser... ;)


Celluloid factories all but closed, Celluloid Distribution, shrinking dramatically, with several Countries already with a mapped out time line ot FROBID Celluloid Prints and Distribution in their Cinemas.

Celluloid is bad form the very start it was so, but finally there is a replacement, is called RED EPIC... ;)


I prefer the clean look of EPIC now, vs even the 70mm Film Prints, this is my taste and pure opinion, we all have ours, once DRAGON will arrive, we'll discuss it further, when the MF 9k Sensor will arrive, there will be absolutely no more discussion ever again about Film vs. Digital... ;)


Don't forget, for me is not ever only about just the Image quality, which of course is the MOST IMPORTANT, but not the only reason to love EPIC, is about the workflow, the speed of getting my results, the fact that I'm ECO FRIENDLY, and much more, all in favor of Digital, and against Celluloid.


A NEW ERA HAS BEEN APPROACHING... Just watch it carefully or you'll be left behind... ;)

[Mark Toia]

Mark, three things that often get overlooked in the IMAX disucssion are:

1) Being projected in IMAX does not mean being shot in IMAX.

2) Shooting in 65mm/70mm does not necessarily mean shooting in IMAX. IMAX cameras run the film horizontally across the gate (like 35mm stills cameras do). That chews up 15 perfs of 65mm film per frame.

3) It matters if a DI was done and if so, at what resolution.

These may have influenced what you saw.

It was the SPACE one... I watched the behind the scenes, it looked like a real deal IMAX camera. ?

regardless of that. I don't really care :) This thread is silly.