Dragon will actually be higher res than Sony's "8k" F65

[Justin O'Neill]

It turns out RED's 6k Dragon sensor will actually be HIGHER resolution than Sony's F65 "8k" sensor. How is this possible?? I detailed here how Sony uses a whacky method of counting pixels to claim their F65 has an 8k sensor. If you calculate the F65 sensor's resolution like you would with any other camera, it comes out to 5782 x 3060. Remember that number.

When RED announced their 6k Dragon sensor they didn't give the exact resolution but a couple posts in the reduser forums give us enough info to figure it out. The sensor will be 30mm x 15.8mm with a pixel size of 5 microns. Do the math and we can deduce that Dragon will be 6,000 x 3,160. That is 1.3 million photosites MORE than the F65's supposed 8k sensor! RED has always advertised the active sensor area of their cameras and there is no reason to assume it will be any different this time.

It's no wonder RED has so many fans when for $6k we can upgrade our cameras and have the highest res motion camera in the world again.

[Michael Ou]

Wow, very interesting read, thanks for posting!!!

[BRANDON JAMESON]

Bravo, Justin!!!!

[Nick Morrison]

Nice! Somehow it doesn't feel right if RED isn't the highest rez camera out there!

Good to know the universe is re-aligning itself --> at a price mortals can afford.

[luigivaltulini]

Thanks Justin :)

[Cid J Salcido Uyarra]

I thought I saw a F65 floating around in the sale market on this forum LOL

I've talked to a prep-tech at Pananvision, apparently the workflow is hideous and you need a separate device to dump media and playback?

He really didn't spell out the workflow but he said it's a headache, I should probably hit him up again since its been a minute. Please fill us in if you have experience with one I'm curious for inputs from a shooter.

Anyways glad to hear that. I kinda wish Red had a non-official rumors site LOL we really have no clue what they're up to.

Been watching all the Batmans getting ready for tmrws release. I really hope I get to see Red IMAX in my lifetime, s35mm is cool and all but the way the lens shapes an image on a 70mm film negative just looks so much sharper and natural; especially on the wide shots. Only problem is there isn't much 65mm glass which is a huge drag, I couldn't imagine pulling focus with a Mamiya lens but we said the same for DSLR ha. Maybe I should start collecting medium format lenses before Red IMAX raises the price much like the crappy Arri Zeiss baby primes lens, you could get a set for $9k before R1...after 2010 I saw them going for $22k +

with so much content being produced on 5D it seems like S35 has become the new 2/3. Its funny to hear older DP complain about MkII sensor sizes with lens and young up and comers complaining about S35. Its just weird the days we live in. I mean look at the Fuji PL lens with ENG grip/motor at NAB 2012.

up to what point is S35 gonna have enough resolution I'd imagine 8k is the most you'd need for minute, certain scenes from the Dark Knight IMAX was scanned at 8K & 6K , keep in mind that was 2008, four years ago.

After awhile you can start to see the difference from 4K to 5K I wonder how it's gonna be for 6K

Honestly I still think no Digital Format can surpass IMAX, once that's done I can officially stick a tombstone on Films grave.

Dragon I'd like to see you take a shot

[Pawel Achtel]

Always fascinated with reasearch on the elusive bullshit particle and you certainly managed to uncover it pretty well.

[Timur Civan]

Math. For the Win.

[Justin O'Neill]

Please fill us in if you have experience with one I'm curious for inputs from a shooter.

I really hope I get to see Red IMAX in my lifetime, s35mm is cool and all but the way the lens shapes an image on a 70mm film negative just looks so much sharper and natural; especially on the wide shots.

Hi Cid, I haven't used the F65 yet but I would certainly rather shoot with it than the Alexa!

RED still has the 9k medium format 645 epic and the 28k large format 617 Epic in the pipeline as far as we know. http://camerarentalz.com/epic-645/

[Blair S. Paulsen]

(snip) Maybe I should start collecting medium format lenses before Red IMAX raises the price much like the crappy Arri Zeiss baby primes lens, you could get a set for $9k before R1...after 2010 I saw them going for $22k +

If you are talking about the Arri standards I'm going to have to take issue with your "crappy" characterization. They are not personal favorites of mine, but I respect their IQ. They may be notch below the newest designs/coatings but they are still genuine cinema lenses that have been used on some very striking films.

Cheers - #19