Size matters...

[Alex Boothby]

I think you'll find a tiny (and dark) shoulder pad in the image.

P.S. - thanks for the OConnor 1030 tip, Alexander. Found one on ebay for $3000.

[Brook Willard]

Yeah, there's a shoulder pad in there.

[Alexander Nikishin]

I think you'll find a tiny (and dark) shoulder pad in the image.

Ah now I see, my gamma is set low for photoshop work. :)

P.S. - thanks for the OConnor 1030 tip, Alexander. Found one on ebay for $3000.

Awesome head, I'd highly recommend it.

[Alex Boothby]

BTW - that shoulder pad appears to be about 4.5" long (deep). Would that work?

[JW Lee]

Brook, I don't see why Red Rails couldn't be set up like a Zacuto, definitely not rocket science. The picture you posted however looks awful in terms of ergonomics. That is not setup for on-shoulder shooting. For example, the grips in that pic will be nicely pressed against ones collarbone and not out where they need for control. Where's the evf? Where's the monitor? Where's the lens and mattebox? Is the Red body right next to your head and are there going to be any wires sticking out there? What about on the other side? How will you start and stop your shots? How well balanced is it going to be once you have it loaded up?

The way the Zacuto has the camera offset by moving the batteries, wireless and HD well behind the camera seems like a reasonable solution to me. The devil is in the details my freind and marketing pictures of a half completed product don't tell the whole story. I'm looking forward to seeing what the brainiacs at Red come up with, they seem like a pretty smart bunch.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

LMG - you are so right and so wrong at the same time - nice work :D . You need to trust that the guys doing the design of the RedRail have worked with many kinds of cameras, including ENG (I have owned a Sony D30 for 9 years myself and it has many strengths) and have carefully evaluated the Zacuto system. Many of us posted about the handles and I feel confident that the ability to reposition and reorient the handles will be part of the final design.

Perhaps you should take that critical mind of yours and post a wish list for the RedRail. All along there has been a commitment from the Red Team to make a rig that is highly customizable. While the camera body is getting close to a final design the RedRail could still be tweaked. Rather than taking potshots at the renders be part of the process. I plan to do lots of EFP and even some ENG work with the RedOne and firmly believe that I can set it up to be an excellent tool for those situations.

[Joe Carney]

LMG brings up a good point that hasn't been discussed much. How long before the general broadcast industry realizes this is also the best, most affordable 1080x60p camera on the planet. Even more so since one can use high quality but affordable s16mm lenses instead of digiprimes? How long before someone creates a live switcher that will convert 1080x60p at 10bit 4:2:2 video stream to what ever is needed in real time for broadcast? (Is that Jims' secret for NAB?)

So what if you have to 'window' the chip. Price/performance will beat all current competitors for high end broadcast situations.

Joe C.

[Stephen Williams]

Even more so since one can use high quality but affordable s16mm lenses instead of digiprimes?.
Joe C.

Hi Joe,

Whilst quality S16 lenses are cheaper than digiprimes they are probably more expensive than lenses for 35mm cameras. One of the reasons I own 3 x 35mm cameras but no S16mm equipment.

Stephen

[Blair S. Paulsen]

There has been talk of a B4 lens adapter for RedOne. S16 lenses are fine optically but the feature sets of modern video lenses are widely prized. The ability to use B4 mount lenses would speed adoption by broadcasters, AV cos. and others into hardline applications. I have even suggested what I call an "EFP pack" that would provide industry standard interfaces between the RedOne and hardline infrastructure. All of this may require 3rd party rigging but I agree with you - the price performance proposition will entice a much larger group than just the digital cinema crowd.

[JW Lee]

Blair, I think there are some issues with using standard SD/HD video lenses designed for 3-chip cameras on single chip cam like Red or the SI-2K.

BTW, I wasn't taking "potshots" at anybody. I'm just trying to think through the real world issues involved in adopting this camera and how it fits into the production workflow. I'll save my wish list stuff for after the product is shipped, feature creep doesn't help anyone wanting to see this thing get released. Besides there's no shortage of 'wishes' here.

And a note about the 'broadcast world", from the other forums I frequent, Red isn't really on the radar as much as a 2/3" HD XDCam to replace their aging D600's. I doubt you'll see many Red's shoot the 6 o'clock news anytime soon. Given Jim's marketing savvy, I'm sure there will be a RedNewsTruck in the tent at some point ;-).