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    I have a few questions from this.

    I have heard a few times that "lowering ISO on Dragon doesn't have an impact on the colors" or to the sorts. This looks to act the same as MX, as in, you would want to shoot ISO 800 for outdoor to keep the highlights. Is that what I'm seeing? But Phil shoots everything 250, so that's making me confused there.

    Also, why is the scarlet MAX FPS so low? This is taken from the specs page directly:
    6K FF: 12 FPS (in Burst mode)
    5K FF: 48 FPS
    4K FF: 60 FPS
    3K FF: 80 FPS
    2K FF: 120 FPS
    5K 2.4:1: 60 FPS
    4K 2.4:1: 75 FPS
    3K 2.4:1: 100 FPS
    2K 2.4:1: 150 FPS

    Is the format key chart based at 8:1 compression across the board?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Montville View Post
    I have a few questions from this.

    I have heard a few times that "lowering ISO on Dragon doesn't have an impact on the colors" or to the sorts. This looks to act the same as MX, as in, you would want to shoot ISO 800 for outdoor to keep the highlights. Is that what I'm seeing? But Phil shoots everything 250, so that's making me confused there.

    Also, why is the scarlet MAX FPS so low? This is taken from the specs page directly:
    6K FF: 12 FPS (in Burst mode)
    5K FF: 48 FPS
    4K FF: 60 FPS
    3K FF: 80 FPS
    2K FF: 120 FPS
    5K 2.4:1: 60 FPS
    4K 2.4:1: 75 FPS
    3K 2.4:1: 100 FPS
    2K 2.4:1: 150 FPS

    Is the format key chart based at 8:1 compression across the board?

    I actually work at ISO 500 more than anything on Dragon, but float mostly in the realm of 250-1000. I never said that I work at ISO 250 all the time. Don't know where you got that.

    Scarlet specs are in the most recent manual release that came out.

    I'm working on a max REDCODE compression chart, but this info that I posted has nothing to do with REDCODE.


    In terms of shooting outdoors and all that. Dragon has a considerable amount more freedom in terms of captured dynamic range and highlight protection. You can shoot with the methods you describe, but it's really all about your middle gray at the end of the day and what ISO you are choosing to shoot at.
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    I was almost certain Scarlet Dragon could shoot 48fps at 5K no?
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    Loved the large bright light/rug/stereo analogy for middle grey on the Dragon. This should have been reposted in a certain contentious thread running currently on REDuser. '-)
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    Phill I am confused. If its true that you use more pixels with regular glass but digital ana is more about the look than the resolution but I still want to squeeze as must of the sensor as possible, is "4K 5:4 equals 3840x3072 and unsqueezed you produce a 7680x3072 image with a 2.50:1 aspect ratio...: the maximum? So if you shot 6K 2:1 Anamorphic 2x, what then would you truly be utilizing of the sensor height width?

    http://nofilmschool.com/2013/10/red-...-diamond-bros/

    Theoretically, if any squeeze ratio glass were an option, what squeeze ratio would achieve the maximum height & width of the Dragon sensor in 6K?

    Thanks for you time in advance!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elsie N View Post
    Loved the large bright light/rug/stereo analogy for middle grey on the Dragon. This should have been reposted in a certain contentious thread running currently on REDuser. '-)
    I just instructed at Reducation last week (for the first time!) and the number 1 thing I was asked to explain and help visualize was how ISO works with Red cameras (also other cameras) and I also included some Motion Picture Film logic in there as it's really relevant and works essentially the same. This is the very same analogy I used last week.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lassiter Holmes View Post
    Phill I am confused. If its true that you use more pixels with regular glass but digital ana is more about the look than the resolution but I still want to squeeze as must of the sensor as possible, is "4K 5:4 equals 3840x3072 and unsqueezed you produce a 7680x3072 image with a 2.50:1 aspect ratio...: the maximum? So if you shot 6K 2:1 Anamorphic 2x, what then would you truly be utilizing of the sensor height width?

    http://nofilmschool.com/2013/10/red-...-diamond-bros/

    Theoretically, if any squeeze ratio glass were an option, what squeeze ratio would achieve the maximum height & width of the Dragon sensor in 6K?

    Thanks for you time in advance!!

    If you want to shoot for the traditional 2X Anamorphic effect and utilize the maximum sensor resolution what you want to use is 6K 6:5 with Anamorphic 2X on. That yields a 3972x3160 squeezed image, unsqueezed you get 7584x3160 at a 2.40:1 aspect ratio. That's physically using the maximum height of the sensor.

    I'm personally a 2X anamorphic fan. The 1.3X was essentially created to get 16x9 sensors to create a wide screen image (Red supports this as well in camera). There's some less popular odd duck anamorphic glass out there, 1.5x, 1.7x, and 1.9x. But in reality like "everybody" truly wants the 2X effect.
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