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    Phil's charts rule.
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    Thanks for the info Phil!
    I believe on one of the latest posts from Red, they said that the Scarlet will not be upgradable to Dragon sensor anymore, but there will be a trade in program from Scarlet to Epic Dragon now.
    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Dragon sensor was announced to be native ISO 1000. I believe the Monochrome Epic without the color passes is native ISO 2000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Soderberg View Post
    Thanks for the info Phil!
    I believe on one of the latest posts from Red, they said that the Scarlet will not be upgradable to Dragon sensor anymore, but there will be a trade in program from Scarlet to Epic Dragon now.
    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Dragon sensor was announced to be native ISO 1000. I believe the Monochrome Epic without the color passes is native ISO 2000.
    Correct. I'll change the wording to "upgrade path". Graeme is better at explaining the whole native ISO thing and what's wrong with that concept.

    There will of course be an optimal place to shoot to get a "clean" image. Jim's words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
    I don't think there is anything left in the "native ISO" thinking. You can shoot ISO 100 to 12,800 depending on how much noise you can tolerate.

    I think "ideal" will be somewhere between ISO 400 and 2000.
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    It does make a difference for sure. I did the calculation based on the pixel's micron size and it was confirmed in August by Jarred in that summary post I made, the other source cited. That's correct as far as I know at the moment. If we're talking square pixels and that calculation is correct than the size listed makes sense.

    I've already made a coverage chart for the expected formats, but since the format's haven't been officially "locked down" I don't think it's a good idea to release them just yet because anything can change. The key bits are what's being shown on the Red Dragon and Film Formats graphic. The diagonal on 6K Full would be 34.54mm with the sensor size above.
    Haha, yeah. 34.51 is what I got with my math, and if 30 (not 30.7) it would be 33.8 or something.

    Seems you're way ahead of the game haha. Nice work.
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    This is very useful, thank you for sharing this with us Phil.
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    Thanks for putting all the info in one place. this is great. Thanks Phil
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    Rats, I was hoping 3K would cover S16mm perfectly. I guess it won't. It will porthole/vignette slightly. Phil what do you think the best way to shoot 16mm and S16 glass will be?
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    Thanks Phil, this is great. I hate thread mining so it is wonderful to have this info in one place.
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    Cheers everybody. Can't wait to add the other stuff once it's more of a "sure thang".


    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    Rats, I was hoping 3K would cover S16mm perfectly. I guess it won't. It will porthole/vignette slightly. Phil what do you think the best way to shoot 16mm and S16 glass will be?
    I think this is going to be one of those "you'll need to try out some lenses and see what works". I believe several S16 lenses will actually cover 3K, but some won't for sure. For instance the Zeiss 16mm MK3 Super Speed has an image circle of 19.4mm and that should cover 3K Dragon safely.
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    Very helpful info Phil...........Thank you very much
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