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    Thought this might contribute to the discussion.....





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Garrick View Post
    @ mikeburton....If you ever intend hosting your R3D's in the cloud good luck .

    IMO for media/film production the cloud in all its various guises is a crock. Have you read some of the comments on this or the other thread ? Do you really want to be "locked out" from using your own copyrighted material because of licensing error or that you paid your subscription in another currency than where you presently reside ? Do want to deal with call centre in India to try & regain access to your material on tight deadline ?

    Yes Adobe has come up with some good tools but now just like their stock price they are dropping the ball .

    Anyway .......I dont know what I complaining about we've all been & here before with the Apple FCP7 debacle .......& unfortunately Avid isn't looking too good either.
    Did I ever say I want to host MY media in the cloud, or your's or anybody else's for that matter. Did you read what I wrote? And WTF are you talking about anyways? I've NEVER been locked out of any of our 3 CC licenses. EVER, in any country. Do you own a CC license? If you did perhaps you'd feel differently. The difference here is, I'm speaking from experience whereas you seem to be speaking on behalf of "things you've read on the Internet". If you don't like what you've read then fine for you, no one is forcing you to go one way or another.
    BTW - while you're still trying to figure out which NLE package best suites your particular needs ill be working.
     

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    Apologies Mike if i misunderstood your point.

    Good luck with working on your one NLE package.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Garrick View Post
    Apologies Mike if i misunderstood your point.

    Good luck with working on your one NLE package.
    It's not about one package over the other. All of the tools are valid but understand, that there is no point rejecting something on a public forum that you don't have personal experience with. It would be like me saying "I won't buy an Epic Monochrome because I've read that RED has terrible customer service so I don't want to be stranded one day." I don't blame the guys that have had terrible experiences from Red customer support and are voicing their experience but the guys that bitch about it on set that have never had that experience and detract others are just talking nonesense and helping no one. There's far too much of that on here.
    Thanks for posting that video though, it gave me a laugh.

    PS - All of my experience with RED customer service has been stellar, just using it as an example to prove a point.
     

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    Ask yourself two questions right now. Who else is offering that kind of space for the price?
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    I almost want to sell my CS5 suite...Did that to Apple when they screwed me... But the thing is Adobe has been putting the crunch to us before this with forcing us to update more readily. This is just one more step in there Monty Burns direction. They think they got us cuz there products rock, which they do. But not all of us want this model clearly...I wanted to personally run all three suites, Apple, Avid, Adobe and update as infrequently as possible on all unless needed. So FCP7 and CS6 are then EOL and you guys now totally threw me a curve ball is whats happening? Great...

    How is it that hedging myself against 3 different NLE's I still got screwed by 2?
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    I'm having a hard time deciding which is worse at the moment: Adobe's rental only future, or those coming on here that are happy with the rental model that's under no threat, giving the rest of us $hit for expressing our disgust at having our choice taken away.
     

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    Hi Everyone

    I'm Al, the Adobe Premiere Pro Product Manager. I'm new to this forum (hi!) but I wanted to introduce myself and try to clarify some points.

    Historically, Adobe has run on a 12-18 month release cycle, and licenses were perpetual. This meant that, were we to (for example) release a new product in May, if we were to hear from the community in June that there was an absolutely critical feature that we were lacking, the earliest we could provide customers with that feature would be the following May. This is not an internal Adobe thing, it's due to very limiting and strict revenue recognition laws which prevent the addition of new features to perpetual license customers at zero cost.

    The Creative Cloud model changes all this. Because it's a subscription system, we are going to be able to add new features to the software much more regularly than the 12-18 month release cycle, and I predict you'll start seeing this change pretty soon. This, I believe, provides significant added value to Creative Cloud when compared to the previous model. Creative Cloud allows us to much more aggressively develop, and in these days of light-speed technological change, this will, I hope, be a great benefit. And note that you can have your apps installed on two separate machines, even one Mac and one PC, and use the apps on both.

    I'd also like to dispel a couple of misconceptions. Firstly, this is not some kind of hosted service. These are the same applications, installed locally, that you would have got if we sold them on a DVD. The only difference is that you install them via a download. We are not hosting your files (unless you want us to!). Secondly, you do not need to be permanently connected to the internet. If you're on a monthly subscription, there is a mandatory check-in every 30 days to check you've paid, and there is a 7-day grace period if you haven't. If you buy a year in advance, that check-in period is 180 days.

    Regarding pricing, we've pitched it at a point where the majority of users who upgrade regularly are likely to be paying less, for more frequent updates, access to all of our apps, and the CC community. If you use the special offer we have currently, you can get all of what would have been 'Master Collection' for 30 dollars US a month.

    There is a very thorough FAQ on our site too, which may have been linked to previously, but just for the record: http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...d/faq.edu.html

    I realize that this is a big change, and I'm sure that some of you feel strongly enough to go elsewhere, but i hope this at least clarifies some points. I'll hang around this thread over the next days, so if you have questions feel free to ask them.

    thanks
    al.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Mooney View Post
    Hi Everyone

    I'm Al, the Adobe Premiere Pro Product Manager. I'm new to this forum (hi!) but I wanted to introduce myself and try to clarify some points.

    Historically, Adobe has run on a 12-18 month release cycle, and licenses were perpetual. This meant that, were we to (for example) release a new product in May, if we were to hear from the community in June that there was an absolutely critical feature that we were lacking, the earliest we could provide customers with that feature would be the following May. This is not an internal Adobe thing, it's due to very limiting and strict revenue recognition laws which prevent the addition of new features to perpetual license customers at zero cost.

    The Creative Cloud model changes all this. Because it's a subscription system, we are going to be able to add new features to the software much more regularly than the 12-18 month release cycle, and I predict you'll start seeing this change pretty soon. This, I believe, provides significant added value to Creative Cloud when compared to the previous model. Creative Cloud allows us to much more aggressively develop, and in these days of light-speed technological change, this will, I hope, be a great benefit. And note that you can have your apps installed on two separate machines, even one Mac and one PC, and use the apps on both.

    I'd also like to dispel a couple of misconceptions. Firstly, this is not some kind of hosted service. These are the same applications, installed locally, that you would have got if we sold them on a DVD. The only difference is that you install them via a download. We are not hosting your files (unless you want us to!). Secondly, you do not need to be permanently connected to the internet. If you're on a monthly subscription, there is a mandatory check-in every 30 days to check you've paid, and there is a 7-day grace period if you haven't. If you buy a year in advance, that check-in period is 180 days.

    Regarding pricing, we've pitched it at a point where the majority of users who upgrade regularly are likely to be paying less, for more frequent updates, access to all of our apps, and the CC community. If you use the special offer we have currently, you can get all of what would have been 'Master Collection' for 30 dollars US a month.

    There is a very thorough FAQ on our site too, which may have been linked to previously, but just for the record: http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...d/faq.edu.html

    I realize that this is a big change, and I'm sure that some of you feel strongly enough to go elsewhere, but i hope this at least clarifies some points. I'll hang around this thread over the next days, so if you have questions feel free to ask them.

    thanks
    al.
    Your post offers food for thought. I don't so much (personally) mind the subscription fee. It is actually beneficial to some to be able to spread out a payment over time rather than a big one time payment. I think the problem is that by having a perpetual license you have the confidence that you somehow own something. The subscription has the feeling you are borrowing something and if your fortunes change at some point, you and your work are soon parted.

    It's a bit like leasing an automobile or buying one. Some people are perfectly happy with the lease while others want to know they own the car. At any rate, thanks for coming here to hear the complaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Mooney View Post
    Hi Everyone

    I'm Al, the Adobe Premiere Pro Product Manager. I'm new to this forum (hi!) but I wanted to introduce myself and try to clarify some points.


    I realize that this is a big change, and I'm sure that some of you feel strongly enough to go elsewhere, but i hope this at least clarifies some points. I'll hang around this thread over the next days, so if you have questions feel free to ask them.

    thanks
    al.
    Al - you're a brave man stepping into the lion's den :)

    The issue is complex - but for me (and I think many others) it comes down to the fact that you're basically renting the software. Once you stop with a CC licence, you software is dead and you can't open any files or legacy projects. To do that, you'll need to subscribe again.

    Now, you may say that Adobe can add more features and increase iterations between full releases, and I can see this completely.

    But, the big caveat is lack of ownership and ability to have a perpetual licence.

    Also, being based in Europe, prices here are not as good as the US, so it's often better to purchase a full licence - be it web install or DVD (this applies to software across the board - only a few programs actually charge a fair price here - but that's yet another discussion!).

    My two cents and an 'easy fix' on this is to offer an 'Exit' licence... basically, if you cancel your CC and want to have a perpetual licence on your system you pay a fee that makes that licence permanent. You can't upgrade (etc), but, at least that way, if you want to maintain a licence on your machine (or studio) you have the 'option' to do so.

    The backlash, IMO, is because Adobe have 'removed' choice - and not provided an option like this.
     

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