HV20 + CineForm Recorder + Letus35 < 4000$

[John Godden]

Ok, I heard your comments. Scarlet will be better than this config. And if it cost like 4K$ it would be crazy to buy an HV20.
Anyway we can see that a pocket cam in 4:2:2 10bits is possible, with 35 sized sensor and interchangeable lenses too.

I purchased an HV20 when it first came out. I was very disappointed with the IQ when doing even modest panning. Sold it post-haste.

YMMV
JohnG

[Erik Bien]

Sure it's no RED One, but I've been pretty happy with the HV20 + 35mm adapter shooting to plain old HDV:

http://www.vimeo.com/800047

Being tethered to a Blackmagic Intensity-equipped PC for live capture is too restricting, but the little CineForm CF recorder is definitely on my "short list" of toys to check out at NAB ...

[jjeppson]

There are a lot of posts and speculation about the upcoming Scarlet camera. I too am very excited and I have my own opinions and speculations but a lot of what I am reading here is rediculous--or, to be fair, a little far fetched.

Scarlet will most likely NOT have a 35mm sensor--not if it is anywhere NEAR "pocketsized". I think people are forgetting what a feat it is to have a full frame sensor in a camera as SMALL as Red One. Do some research and look at digital still cameras, they share more in common with the RED cams and the big reason those are so small is that the sensor is equally tiny. Go and find a full-frame still camera and see for yourself how not-pocket sized it is, and while you're at it think about WHY all digital still cameras aren't full framed. Because developing/producing a full-frame sensor is expensive at any pixel count.

Now it is common knowledge that a small sensor equals noise and bad DOF, so o it obviously ain't gunna be tiny, but check out how large Sigma's "pocket-sized" DP1 with an APS-C sized sensor and fixed, non-zoom lens. I believe/hope that the sensor for the Scarlet (which will not be full sized and either 2K or full 1080P) is large but will not be a full 35mm frame and probably not even a full APS (24mm) frame. Even at 16mm with an non-interchangeable lens it would be an engineering feat to create a camera that could be considered pocket sized.

Now to create even more controversy, I think that Scarlet may actually record to tape as well as CF. Unless my math is way off--which it could be, I am not very good at math--a 1080P RedRAW stream could be written to a DV tape, certainly a DVCPRO tape. Now I would prefer a flash solution, and I think there will be one, but tape is reliable (relatively) and cheap and would appeal to some of the key markets of the Scarlet. For example, documentary filmmakers, at least the few that I know, would jump at the chance of picking up a small, professional grade camera that would record in at least 30-40minute chunks, sans interruption, to a medium that didn't require being shuffled off to a computer and could be collected in a bad as they wander around the wilderness. Flash won't work because its too small and expensive and hard drives are too finicky and unreliable. I believe both those should, and will, be expansion options. Or perhaps I am wrong and tape is the expansion option, that certainly would bring down the cost of the camera.

Alright, flame away!

[vsv]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/s...sh-camcorders/

1080p60 with 1/1,8" sensor, H264 compression ~$1K

[Lawrence Bansbach]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/s...sh-camcorders/

1080p60 with 1/1,8" sensor, H264 compression ~$1K

Two cameras based on Sony's IMX017CQE CMOS sensor with these specs have already been announced. Besides, no 24p, no sale.

[Tom Lowe]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/s...sh-camcorders/

1080p60 with 1/1,8" sensor, H264 compression ~$1K

Good god. The specs on that little thing are amazing. This might be nice for landscape cinematography, since DOF is not an issue with that type of shot. Or a strap a 35mm adapater on it and shoot a feature.

I wonder why it would record to H.264, though, since that's not really a codec used for editing, but rather for distribution.

[Steve Sherrick]

300fps, hahahaha

[zecahue]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/s...sh-camcorders/

1080p60 with 1/1,8" sensor, H264 compression ~$1K

c'mom guys :) 1/8" not 1/1.8"

[vsv]

c'mom guys :) 1/8" not 1/1.8"

mistake of writer...
If you check photos here:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands...corder/559822/




you'll see 6.3 - 63mm focal length. At 1/8 inch that will be another digits :)

[combatentropy]

people are forgetting what a feat it is to have a full frame sensor in a camera as SMALL as Red One. . . . the sensor for the Scarlet is large but will not be a full 35mm frame and probably not even a full APS (24mm) frame

Red One sensor = APS-C

APS-C: 24.4 × 13.7 mm
Red One: 25.1 × 16.7
Super35: 24.89 × 18.66

"Full-frame" 35mm: 36 × 24