Will Scarlet take over the HVX200

[Bill Anderson]

Given the little we know, and considering what we know is subject to change, within reason, I'd guess that current "prosumer" models will not be able to compete with Scarlet. Why? In a word, "professional". Granted, this is a nebulous term but, considering its source, Jim Jannard and his team of geniuses, I can't see the RED guys making a camera that won't better the current Sonys and Canons just because it will fit in a pocket. And, does "fit in a pocket" mean before a lens is screwed on? Or before????? Maybe I'm way off mark here, but it's tough to overestimate the RED team's abilities and vision.

[johnkersten]

RED have a lot of money to make if they take their modular design and upgradable firmware down to the prosumer level, but having TOO good a camera at that level might torpedo RED ONE sales... but then again, the idea of making those tools available to the little guy is pretty much the mission of the company. So who knows.

Remember when mp3 players hit the scene around 2000-2002? Everyone was frustrated with the hard-to-use software and proprietary codecs that came with them, not to mention the 40 or 100 song capacity. And then the iPod came in, it could hold thousands of songs and was very easy to use. It took a few years to become really useful, but Apple cashed in. They've cashed in again with the iPhone, which did the exact same thing for PDAs.

Right now everyone's fiddling around trying to find, essentially, the standard to replace DV-on-tape (p2 or similar is still the simplest therefore best IMO despite the price) and claiming that their new gadget and codec are the best, and it all reminds me of mp3 players before the iPod and PDAs before the iPhone. Besides students with HVXs, I don't think anyone in the prosumer market is REALLY happy with their camera. There's a big payout going to the company that develops a camera/codec/format which cuts the BS.

If Sony, JVC, and Canon STILL can't pull their heads out of the sand with their messy codecs and recording systems, then I doubt they're going to anytime soon. If anyone is going to make a breakthrough camera, it's either going to be Panasonic with a CMOS-based native-res HVX upgrade, or RED with... something we won't be able to predict.

[johnkersten]

"Pocket" might refer to the insertion of a hard disk the size of the LaCie Little Disk straight into the camera. The camera wouldn't have a "slot" per se, but a "pocket" for its media.

Just a thought.

[Greg Ephraim]

Originally Posted by Kholi

I'd love to see you try to rent an EX-1 before an HVX200. =B Doesn't matter how good it looks, no one wants to pay to rent it right now.

Maybe by the end of the year, but then who knows what'll be out.

Sad to say, but I can see the EX-1 being another V1U. Great when it first comes out, disappears behind Pana and Canon after six months. But, that's just me.

I know a lot of people renting out the EX1 and preferring it over the HVX (including clients preferring it over the HVX as well), don't get me wrong they are both great little beasts, I personally prefer the EX1, just a better image, as for rolling shutter, nothing is perfect-you just have to work with it, oh well. The reason the V1U bombed is mainly because of it's workflow, Final Cut Pro just now (a couple months ago) supported it, that's insane! Out of the gate FCP is supporting the EX1, workflow is a cinch with it, and that's what seperates it (well besides the obvious other features) from the V1U and will make this camera survive...that is until Scarlet comes out:), but I'd also be interested to see what Panasonic has brewing up in the dungeons.

[Kreisky]

Originally Posted by vincelucero

Sell it. The Sony EX1 is better. Low light is incredible and useful for 35mm adapters.

Thats the same way I think, but at NAB show Panasonic will introduce their new 1080p HVX and thats an EX1 killer !
Wait and win..........

by the way, did you guy see this here on the forum bevor:
http://www.ikonoskop.com/gallery/index.asp
Im a huge men ! for me this is pocket !
And if they could work that one out, imagine what RED can do......

[Greg Ephraim]

Originally Posted by Kreisky

Thats the same way I think, but at NAB show Panasonic will introduce their new 1080p HVX and thats an EX1 killer !
Wait and win..........

by the way, did you guy see this here on the forum bevor:
http://www.ikonoskop.com/gallery/index.asp
Im a huge men ! for me this is pocket !
And if they could work that one out, imagine what RED can do......

ah touche!!! now there are 2 good reasons I'm going to NAB:)
and yeah, that ikonoskope camera looks pretty rad too.....I've used their s16 version of it, was very stoked to find out they're doing a 2k version of it!

[Kreisky]

the next HVX200 is AG-HMC 150

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Originally Posted by Kreisky

by the way, did you guy see this here on the forum bevor:
http://www.ikonoskop.com/gallery/index.asp
Im a huge men ! for me this is pocket !
And if they could work that one out, imagine what RED can do......

that is a super 16 film camera

[kmikami]

Originally Posted by chuckt

Let us imagine, Sony gets, 50% of the retail price of $6500 for every Ex1.
That makes 80,000 x $3250 = $520 million in 5 years.
That won't even cover their advertisement budget for Ex1 in one year.

Wow, I have to get in on some of that Sony marketing money. I mean a marketing campaign for a major movie can get up to the $50 million level so to spend 10 times that amount for a niche professional camera with no TV or radio ads, no billboards, etc... those must be some pricey print ads and trade show booths! :greedy:

[Kreisky]

Originally Posted by Zakaree

that is a super 16 film camera

I know but it is still pocket for me !
cheers