worldwide Red and its owner policy puts LA major rental houses in panic

Roberto B · 03-20-2007, 12:36 AM

take a careful reading between the lines on this.. they're expecting the newbies.. and it seems they're frightened.. trying to domesticate us..

eheheh..

they should think we are a some sort of fool user..

http://www.cinematography.com/forum2...c=21527&st=120

and on.. and on.. and on..

lol

other sample:

"My biggest bit of skepticism regarding the RED camera is still the price point of $17,500 per camera -- I just don't see how they will make a profit"

eheheh..

http://www.cinematography.com/forum2...8&#entry148608

and they're saying it's not their problem.. sure.. i'd like to see to who they will rent their F900H, F900R (the new model) etc..

CVB · 03-20-2007, 01:03 AM

I saw some good stuff coming through Cinematography.net as well.. I say we just smile and move on.

Brainstorm · 03-20-2007, 01:41 AM

Evolution is not about survival of the bitchiest... it's about adaptation. And many of the more virulent posters on cinematography.net are set to go the way of the dinosaurs.

Let's be honest though. Nobody who's even vaguely neutral could deny that there are a number of so-called "fanboys" on this board, but to say that about everybody who's following (or buying into) the evolution of RED is an insult. I most certainly do not consider myself a fanboy. For a start, I'm too old to be called a boy. Secondly, I've been working in the industry for about 28 years and have made a number of docos that have been broadcast around the world. IMHO RED is a development worthy of tracking... and hopefully buying! So why should I pay any attention to the dinosaurs? Like Jim Jannard said, leave 'em to it.

As for RED opening up the field to a new breed of filmmakers... all power to it I say!

Gavin Greenwalt · 03-20-2007, 02:56 AM

Considering the market for film based productions won't dissolve during any of our lifetimes I would say investing your talents in that area wouldn't be a dangerous move.

Even if you refused to ever touch a computer in production, you would still be a valuable DP since you're hired to provide beautiful lighting. There is no adaption needed. Yes the RED is going to be cool and inexpensive but... I could never touch a red in my life and still be a valuable and employable piece of talent.

All this "adapt or die" business is bullshit. It's true in the vfx industry where we're sooooo freakin' slow that any improvement is a huge improvement, but in film production lighting is lighting, gripping is gripping, focusing is focusing and nobody gives a shit what the capture element is made of except a very select few, a select few whose jobs usually aren't on the line.

Brainstorm · 03-20-2007, 03:06 AM

Hi im.thatoneguy,

I agree with what you say completely, but it's not only the "skeptics" who makes it that's important in this debate. It's who watches it.

It's all very well and good to write off youtube content as "cinematically challenged" (to put it politely), but lots of people are happy to spend their time watching that sort of content, regardless of what it's shot on.

Even if more storytellers – of all quality – can access high-end cameras at reasonable prices, it may not turn everyone into a DOP with their own "masterclass" groupies & 4K "how-to" workshops, but some might make "alternative content" that a whole lot of viewers prefer spending their time watching... instead the bigger budget films that pay the wages of more established crew members... and that's what they're really frightened of.

That sort of (r)evolution cannot be controlled by skepticism, intellectual pig-headedness, stagnation or any brand of new camera. It's just a cultural phenomenon whose time has come.

Cheers
Brainstorm

Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock · 03-20-2007, 03:30 AM

If you substitute "film" with "tape", and "Red" with "ProTools" those entire debates over there (and here) could have all been written 15 years ago on the Digidesign and a few audio pro websites.

Considering the accelerated pace of progress this discussions will all go away very fast. Especially with 1500 cameras in the field coming fall.

Jochen

Jay A. Kelley · 03-20-2007, 05:06 AM

While I am not a fan of CML, I am not going to say anything about them.. Like any group of people, there are those I like... And well, then there are the rest.

David says RED, in the end, is just a camera... PEOPLE make things work.. I think he's right. But I am glad for RED all the same

Jay

Graeme Nattress · 03-20-2007, 07:04 AM

Cinematography.com != CML
Cinematography.net == CML

Confusing, isn't it :-)

Graeme

Sean · 03-20-2007, 07:16 AM

Cameras don't shoot people. People shoot people.

Darren Orange · 03-20-2007, 07:28 AM

Don't forget "28 Days Later"....all pal XL1s baby... lol, that was advanced, pretty funny seeing pictures of a huge PL lens on a little XL1.

03-20-2007, 12:36 AM	#1
Roberto B Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,775	worldwide Red and its owner policy puts LA major rental houses in panic take a careful reading between the lines on this.. they're expecting the newbies.. and it seems they're frightened.. trying to domesticate us.. eheheh.. they should think we are a some sort of fool user.. http://www.cinematography.com/forum2...c=21527&st=120 and on.. and on.. and on.. lol other sample: "My biggest bit of skepticism regarding the RED camera is still the price point of $17,500 per camera -- I just don't see how they will make a profit" eheheh.. http://www.cinematography.com/forum2...8&#entry148608 and they're saying it's not their problem.. sure.. i'd like to see to who they will rent their F900H, F900R (the new model) etc..

03-20-2007, 01:03 AM	#2
CVB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 932	I saw some good stuff coming through Cinematography.net as well.. I say we just smile and move on. __________________ Curt von Badinski View Factor

03-20-2007, 01:41 AM	#3
Brainstorm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 127	Dinosaurs... Evolution is not about survival of the bitchiest... it's about adaptation. And many of the more virulent posters on cinematography.net are set to go the way of the dinosaurs. Let's be honest though. Nobody who's even vaguely neutral could deny that there are a number of so-called "fanboys" on this board, but to say that about everybody who's following (or buying into) the evolution of RED is an insult. I most certainly do not consider myself a fanboy. For a start, I'm too old to be called a boy. Secondly, I've been working in the industry for about 28 years and have made a number of docos that have been broadcast around the world. IMHO RED is a development worthy of tracking... and hopefully buying! So why should I pay any attention to the dinosaurs? Like Jim Jannard said, leave 'em to it. As for RED opening up the field to a new breed of filmmakers... all power to it I say!

03-20-2007, 02:56 AM	#4
Gavin Greenwalt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,625	Considering the market for film based productions won't dissolve during any of our lifetimes I would say investing your talents in that area wouldn't be a dangerous move. Even if you refused to ever touch a computer in production, you would still be a valuable DP since you're hired to provide beautiful lighting. There is no adaption needed. Yes the RED is going to be cool and inexpensive but... I could never touch a red in my life and still be a valuable and employable piece of talent. All this "adapt or die" business is bullshit. It's true in the vfx industry where we're sooooo freakin' slow that any improvement is a huge improvement, but in film production lighting is lighting, gripping is gripping, focusing is focusing and nobody gives a shit what the capture element is made of except a very select few, a select few whose jobs usually aren't on the line. __________________ Gavin Greenwalt \|\| im.thatoneguy im.thatoneguy[at]gmail.com

03-20-2007, 03:30 AM	#6
Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 677	If you substitute "film" with "tape", and "Red" with "ProTools" those entire debates over there (and here) could have all been written 15 years ago on the Digidesign and a few audio pro websites. Considering the accelerated pace of progress this discussions will all go away very fast. Especially with 1500 cameras in the field coming fall. Jochen __________________ -------------------------- www.jochenschmidt.de http://imdb.com/name/nm0773276/ RED Rental info: www.redrent.de

03-20-2007, 03:06 AM	#5
Brainstorm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 127	Hi im.thatoneguy, I agree with what you say completely, but it's not only the "skeptics" who makes it that's important in this debate. It's who watches it. It's all very well and good to write off youtube content as "cinematically challenged" (to put it politely), but lots of people are happy to spend their time watching that sort of content, regardless of what it's shot on. Even if more storytellers – of all quality – can access high-end cameras at reasonable prices, it may not turn everyone into a DOP with their own "masterclass" groupies & 4K "how-to" workshops, but some might make "alternative content" that a whole lot of viewers prefer spending their time watching... instead the bigger budget films that pay the wages of more established crew members... and that's what they're really frightened of. That sort of (r)evolution cannot be controlled by skepticism, intellectual pig-headedness, stagnation or any brand of new camera. It's just a cultural phenomenon whose time has come. Cheers Brainstorm

03-20-2007, 05:06 AM	#7
Jay A. Kelley REDuser Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 2,783	While I am not a fan of CML, I am not going to say anything about them.. Like any group of people, there are those I like... And well, then there are the rest. David says RED, in the end, is just a camera... PEOPLE make things work.. I think he's right. But I am glad for RED all the same Jay

03-20-2007, 07:04 AM	#8
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,035	Cinematography.com != CML Cinematography.net == CML Confusing, isn't it :-) Graeme __________________ www.red.com - 5k Digital Cinema Camera Science enables stories. Stories drive science FLUT™, Image Processing, Colour Science and Demosaic Algorithms, RED4K delivery

03-20-2007, 07:16 AM	#9
Sean Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 534	Cameras don't shoot people. People shoot people.

03-20-2007, 07:28 AM	#10
Darren Orange Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 611	Don't forget "28 Days Later"....all pal XL1s baby... lol, that was advanced, pretty funny seeing pictures of a huge PL lens on a little XL1.

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