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    Anyone seen this ? https://www.instagram.com/p/CLpHdzWpjFh/ Absolute craziness on set from Mr Bay. The ambulance hit the dolly. Clearly safety consideration for this shot were totally rubbish. Its as if #safetyforsarah and the incident with Mark Millsome have been completely forgotten about.
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    I've had a few conversation with people surrounding this clip, mostly those who haven't ever been around large scale stunts or what goes into them.

    What you are actually seeing is a well rehearsed take with specific paths for the individuals in the shot. The ambulance line and trajectory of the blast pole on the car, which is cued before the ambulance even gets there, as well as the SUV shield are all meticulously planned, tested, and ran through.

    I was a smidge shocked to see the slight dolly bump, but that's pretty much the most dangerous part of anything here. Hard to tell if that was driver or remote controlled breaking, but either way that was a stop planned.

    Stunts are indeed dangerous business for film professionals, but there's a great deal of safety going on here that would be pretty invisible to the eye, which honestly means they are doing their jobs.

    And this is coming from a guy who spots 2K overheads without safety line that can easily kill talent if rigged without a cable.

    The illusion here is that it doesn't look like it's safety first, but there's a lot of people involved there that are making safety the upmost priority.

    Had rather similar conversations about the BTS of Extraction, which also looked pretty safe considering all things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve G View Post
    Anyone seen this ? https://www.instagram.com/p/CLpHdzWpjFh/ Absolute craziness on set from Mr Bay. The ambulance hit the dolly. Clearly safety consideration for this shot were totally rubbish. Its as if #safetyforsarah and the incident with Mark Millsome have been completely forgotten about.
    That's pretty hectic... even though he wrote: "This phone video makes it look scarier that it was in person." hahah
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    To my untrained eye and assuming all the trajectories were set, it just looks like they weren't expecting the ambulance to bounce like that or that much. Without the wheels coming off the road like that it would have had enough braking time to keep it from hitting the dolly. With 20/20 hindsight, relying on the ambulance to brake as it deliberately heads straight for the director on the camera probably wasn't the best idea. Would have been safer to have no-one on the camera or a solid barrier for the ambulance to hit in case something went wrong. Wouldn't want to speculate further on it than that, but yeah, it doesn't give a good impression imo.
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    Thanks for the 'insiders' take Phil. I don't think you know what you are talking about. It's pretty obvious something went awry here as you can see one of the actors / stuntperson getting knocked down by the ambulance. Accidents happen of course but don't pretend you know more than you actually do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Worth View Post
    Thanks for the 'insiders' take Phil. I don't think you know what you are talking about. It's pretty obvious something went awry here as you can see one of the actors / stuntperson getting knocked down by the ambulance. Accidents happen of course but don't pretend you know more than you actually do.
    Yes. Something clearly went wrong here which is why the Director of the film publicly released this video for public viewing. *sigh*

    Seriously, nothing at all went awry here. You would have never seen the footage if something did go wrong sans somebody leaking footage from set.

    I'm not on this film, but on other projects I've been involved with in preparation for stunts like this comes rehearsals, miniatures, planning, simulations, etc. Especially in sensitive and extremely safety aware times we are currently in when some filmmakers have clearly ignored taking the correct safety precautions. High end studio projects are exceptionally aware of the risks, insurance, planning, and costs well beyond financial when doing work like this. Which is why they hire the best honestly and take those precautions.

    Bay works often with the same crews who happen to be some of the top professionals in this field which is why he's confident in everybody's abilities and preparation to pull stuff off like this. A lot of trust and experience is at play here.

    But yeah, I know nothing. Nobody does. I mean they just pulled out the track and camera and captured this on the fly for sure on this indie film.
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    Tough to say from this clip. The people on set know what went wrong and Iím sure if there were any other takes of this shot, they made some adjustments. Iíd also have to assume this is not like the incident that killed Sarah in that there were actual safety measures in place and even with them in place something went wrong. Sarah was killed because of complete negligence.

    Another thing that comes to mind is that Bayís films all have epic stunts and if they were lazy when it comes to safety you would probably have had a lot of accidents on his sets given the volume of stunts. Iíll give everyone the benefit of the doubt until itís proven there was some kind of negligence and then Iím 100% behind holding them accountable.
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    The ambulance hit the dolly. The stuntman in the middle of the shot escaped serious injury by cms. There is really no justification to have a manned camera on that dolly. Safety was massively compromised on this set up. They are very lucky. The reaction from Mr Bay suggests that he got quite a kick from the adrenaline rush. He’s extremely lucky that’s all that happened to him and the grip. The vocal reaction “oh f#ck” at the end says it all. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-54660548
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    If anyone thinks this is new or unusual they either have not done this long enough or haven't been involved in a serious production. Stunts have always been risky because that's what makes them look real on the screen. Directors and actors know that, make a lot of money as compensation. If you want safety get a desk job, nobody is twisting your arm into this....
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    Just a little bit more and the camera with that footage with so called calculated dolly hitting scene might be gone forever, along with the stuntman slash director on the dolly too. Safety should never be an option or a choice.
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